Thank you very much for the question, Randall. I think this is probably the most important question. I was hoping somebody was going to ask it.

When everybody talks about MMPs, I'm going to be honest. It doesn't matter which government it is. For what happened to indigenous people through residential schools and everything else, through the federal government, through the churches, through everything, who is holding them accountable? The people we're talking about right now are the indigenous people who are being incarcerated through that system, and there are no MMPs and no accountability to that structure whatsoever.

I challenge the governments on this, both governments, and say, what is the responsibility? You look at the indigenous people and at what has been caused by all of these effects of what we just talked about, incarceration, breaking up families. Yes, I hear the questions about armed robberies. Those are severe, but what are the symptoms to that? Why are people doing those things? It's because of the way they've been treated by these systems imposed by government where there is no accountability of the federal government, of the churches. Nobody is being held accountable for the murders of those families, for taking our children away. We're wondering why mom and dad are so messed up because their children have been taken from their arms. There is no accountability. Let's be honest and start talking the truth here about how it destroyed the indigenous people of this country. Nobody is addressing that.

That's racism. That's systemic racism. People have to be challenged. It is the right thing to do, because when we talk about everything, this is why we have so many people incarcerated. Our families are destroyed. When you talk about people going to jail through MMPs, where is the rehabilitation? Show us the statistics on how many people, indigenous people, have been rehabilitated once they leave those MMPs.

The answer is probably a minimum. Right now, through the work that I do in the city of Saskatoon in the correctional system, we are trying to prevent people from going to federal prison by rehabilitation through education, through family unification, through employment, to get them a different way of doing things.

I want to thank you, Randall, for that question, because it's a very important question. There has to be some accountability here, because we're dealing with a crisis of indigenous people who are incarcerated—especially the women. The women are being abused every day, and if you don't know a woman who has been in an abusive relationship, they don't want to speak the truth because they are afraid. Nobody is helping them. Where is the rehabilitation for that? They are led to violent crimes because they are protecting themselves and that's all defence.

Thank you for that question, Mr. Garrison.

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